Drumbeats for the cashless society

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... and about that cash grab in India...
More: https://dailyreckoning.com/elites-devastate-india/
 

http://pressreleases.visa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=215693&p=irol-newsarticlePR&ID=2285993

 
... and just who reaps the rewards?

20201? Hell, that's over 18,000 years away!
 
Ha! The "1" at the end was a subscript in the original text. "by 2020".
 
Great! Now where are the call centers going to get moved to? It likely won't be the U.S. so what accent will I have to try and start understanding next?
 

https://mishtalk.com/2017/08/02/war...ng-100-bills-forcing-people-to-keep-receipts/
 
Should encourage more to explore crypto currencies .............

Sad how most accept the concept of tax without question and expecting someone else to 'do something' when their cosy little bubble is effected in some way.

Take back your power and take responsibility for your actions / inactions.
Dont need no damn government

grrrrrrrrrrr
 
Great! Now where are the call centers going to get moved to? It likely won't be the U.S. so what accent will I have to try and start understanding next?

artificial intelligence
language and accent selected from the drop down menu :doodoo:
 
The NYT, a newspaper that supposedly is worthy of respect, calls for the gatekeepers of digital money to decide what people can and cannot buy. Does no one see the big picture?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/banks-gun-sales.html

Funny how certain companies are required to perform services (like catering a wedding that goes against your religious views) while others are immune to this. Ah, but then it does say in the Constitution the right of gays to have any caterer they desire & be free from offense for life but nothing about not infringing on the peoples right to keep & bear arms. :judge:
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sk-of-attack-swedes-turn-against-cashlessness

Bold emphasis is mine. Maybe there is hope that sanity will prevail.
 
In the big cities there are fewer and fewer places that can even take cash.
Its all done with card or mobile phone, even for street vendors.
The need for a cash till has gone !
This also reduces the potential for robbery by staff or random drug addicts.

The days of taking a pile of cash to go and look at a secondhand vehicle, agreeing a price and driving it away, have gone, as we can now do a BACS transfer via the internet at the point of sale.

If you try to actually buy anything with cash over £1000, no one wants the stuff.
The banks charge business customers who pay in large sums of cash, over and above their already outrageous charges for a business account.
And everyone knows that the Banks notify the Revenue, so even if its entirely legit, it gets your name in the frame and if you are a regular user of cash, the possibility that the Revenue might investigate you ....... and even if you think you are all above board, they will find something ......

So apart from really small transactions and buying illegal substances from strangers, cash has rather fallen by the wayside for most ..........

Its actually become a problem to hold and use cash in Blighty
 
One day the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. The only real question is whether the change will be orderly or chaotic.
 
oh yeah and to make sure you dont hoard the stuff, they recall and change the banknotes ....

Im not sure cash will make a return even if the pendulum does swing because of its bulk and security risks.

A genuinely free and traceless crypto might step up to the plate though ?
 

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ss-society-con-big-finance-banks-closing-atms
 
So, over the weekend, a story broke that is a portend (warning) for things to come with the cashless society:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018...d-donation-showdown-credits-breitbart-drudge/

Basically:

1. SPLC & Color of Change pressured MasterCard to cancel processing/account for David Horowitz's Freedom Center.

2. MasterCard told WorldPay it wouldn't process transactions for Freedom Center.

3. WorldPay canceled Freedom Center account (which also canceled ability to process VISA transactions).

It's a portend of things to come when the age of digital banking chokes out the last vestiges of the cash economy and monopoly control over transactions can be weaponized for political purposes.
 
Here's a twist on the cashless society:



Who is professor Harvey (ie. why do his comments matter)?


https://www.fuqua.duke.edu/faculty/campbell-harvey

In the video from CBS News, Professor Harvey dismisses critics of his idea as irrational dinosaurs essentially. He completely dismisses very valid concerns over the tyranny of monopoly control over economic transactions. smh.
 
I don't agree that Americans use cash more frequently, not in my experience, anyway.
 
Not in mine either, but I don't frequent the "scrip clubs" or "make it rain" either.
 
I am a cash guy. I pay all my daily expenses with cash.
 
Not in mine either, but I don't frequent the "scrip clubs" or "make it rain" either.

Both of those references went by me without hesitation. Forgive me but I'm old, old school and don't get much of what is understood by you youngins.
I was talking about just going to the grocery store and standing in line behind 4 or 5 people who all pay with plastic and it usually takes longer than paying with cash.
 
Both of those references went by me without hesitation. Forgive me but I'm old, old school and don't get much of what is understood by you youngins.

:rotflmbo:

"scrip club" = strip club

(and remember, there is no sex in the champagne room)


"making it rain" =
When you're in da club with a stack, and you throw the money up in the air at the strippers. The effect is that it seems to be raining money.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=make it rain

 
More great news involving MasterCard portenting the future of the cashless society and the surveillance state:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rd-cut-a-secret-ad-deal-to-track-retail-sales

The bolded section was news to me. I'm aware of brick and mortar retailers requesting email addresses at the checkout counter, but I always assumed it was so they could send you spam (err, sales announcements). Now I see that it potentially gives the NSA (err, Google) a more integrated surveillance tool (at least, for folks who browse the internet while logged in to a Google service).
 

Back when radio shack was a thing, I refused to give them my address or phone #. It was always amusing how aghast some of them became at this. Later on apparently enough people were doing it they weren't so shocked, then they stopped asking altogether. I now have to wonder if they weren't selling info to the gubment & later on they got so much competition .gov didn't pay them as well or at all? Honestly the stores were far less crowded back when they were alive & well as compared to the years they started struggling. :shrug:
 
Went to get a haircut and almost couldn't because they wanted my name, phone number and email addy.
When I started to leave they relented and gave in.
 
Hi barongan, welcome to the forum.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/america-moves-closer-to-being-a-cashless-society-2018-09-11

#MCGA
 

More: https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/oct/01/cashless-britain-banks-atms
 
I know this small seaside town well.
Wouldnt have thought of it as groundbreaking on any front, least of all becoming cashless.
I have commented before though that with mobile phones and the internet, it becomes viable to transact small amounts. Even at hippy places like festival sites this is quite normal and acceptable.
There has to be a viable phone signal though and ironically Lyme Regis did not have this when I last was there.
 
Sweden’s competition and financial watchdogs both opposed a proposal made by lawmakers to force the country’s largest banks to handle cash as they try to limit a rapid development into a cashless society.
...

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rovision-is-state-responsibility?srnd=premium


More: http://www.fortune.com/2018/10/26/sweden-riksbank-e-krona/
 
Cashless will never go down here. There are too many people who recognize it for what it really is about: Control. The government gets to see exactly what you buy, when, where and from who. They know how much you paid as well. Also, the card company or transaction provider peels off a vig. a nice bit of action if you can get in on it, which you cannot.

Cashless is bullshit plain and simple. The government whines about tax evasion, but the real tax evasion is the uber rich and corporations, not you and I. Our taxes are yoked out of our paychecks before we ever see them. Taxes are taken from us at every transaction point on every fucking purchase we make, so that entire argument is a canard. The middle and lower class pay nearly all of our taxes. A few bartenders and waiters shambling by on some tips isn't even on the radar as a rounding error in the budget compared with corporate shenanigans and the shit teh rich pull off.
 

More: https://www.technocracy.news/backlash-against-war-on-cash-reaches-the-bank-of-canada/
 
I reckon it was negative interest rates that drove the cashless arguments
and as ancona notes, its the wealthy that would have piled into cash if they were going to get charged too much for the storage of random digits.

Suddenly some old lady who has never even had a cheque book becomes more a bit more important.....
 
Bold emphasis mine:
More: https://www.forbes.com/sites/madhvimavadiya/2018/10/29/brexit-50p-coin-eu-cashless-society/amp/
 
Two bits related to post #61 (replacing cash with cryptocurrency):

Ohio is now accepting bitcoin for payment of taxes. I believe this might be the first time any level of govco has officially recognized bitcoin as a currency for payment of debt:
https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/25/ohio-becomes-the-first-state-to-accept-bitcoin-for-tax-payments/

And more to the point of post #61:


More: https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/11/14/...setup-and-control-their-own-cryptocurrencies/
 
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Since one of the knocks on crypto's is that the drug cartels & organized crime use them to launder their money, or maybe not even launder, just provide a virtually untraceable bank account for them, it seems strange that a state would do this. Unless they are really hurting for cash & want a way for crooks to pay their taxes? Maybe they want to give them a way to pay something else that we could only speculate on, but it's the govt. after all & the bureaucracy is often more corrupt & vile than organized crime is.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...ore-retailers-just-saying-no-cash/2063747002/
 
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