Welcome to the PMBug forums - a watering hole for folks interested in gold, silver, precious metals, sound money, investing, market and economic news, central bank monetary policies, politics and more. You can visit the forum page to see the list of forum nodes (categories/rooms) for topics.
Why not register an account and join the discussions? When you register an account and log in, you may enjoy additional benefits including no Google ads, market data/charts, access to trade/barter with the community and much more. Registering an account is free - you have nothing to lose!
Holy cow I had to read the whole article before we finally got to something interesting, the lead , Sidney Powell. I like her and think she got caught up in this crap like Maria and others. I hope the people going after them are not closers. JMHOMarch 29, 2023, 2:37 PM EDT / Updated March 29, 2023, 7:12 PM EDT
By Amanda Terkel, Jane C. Timm and Dareh Gregorian
Ten days after the 2020 election, Fox News' so-called Brain Room looked into conspiracy theories that Dominion Voting Systems had rigged the presidential election against Donald Trump.
The fact-checking and research division of the network came back with a clear decision: Those claims were false. But the misinformation went on the air anyway.
Details of the Brain Room's fact-check were revealed Wednesday in newly released slides from a presentation by Dominion, which the company showed at last week's pretrial hearing in its $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News and its parent company, Fox Corp. The slides cite internal communications and testimony.
More:
Here's what Fox News was trying to hide in its Dominion lawsuit redactions
Emails after the 2020 election show Fox's own "Brain Room" concluding the voting myths about Dominion were false, according to previously redacted slides released Wednesday.www.nbcnews.com
A Delaware judge said Wednesday that he would compel Fox Corp. Chairman Rupert Murdoch, and his son, CEO Lachlan Murdoch, to appear live in court for the upcoming trial in Dominion Voting System's $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox and its networks.
Earlier on Wednesday Dominion in a letter filed to the court urged Judge Eric Davis, who is presiding over the case, to compel both Murdochs to appear live. It also requested in-person testimony from Paul Ryan, the Republican former speaker of the House and a Fox board member, and Viet Dinh, Fox's chief legal and policy officer.
"Fox and Dominion have made these four parties very relevant," Davis said during a hearing on Wednesday. "It's not the corporation that raises its hand on the stand, it's their officers and directors that raise their hand on the stand."
"So if Dominion wants to bring them in live, they need to do a trial subpoena and I would not quash it. I would compel them to come," Davis added on Wednesday.
The letter comes days after the judge ruled that the lawsuit would go to trial in April.
Davis had rejected Fox's arguments, but granted several of Dominion's motions with the exception of its argument that Fox and its hosts acted with malice in broadcasting false claims about the 2020 presidential election between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
The trial is scheduled to begin on April 17. ...
Don't need to prove some, just one.An audio recording from a former Fox News staffer reveals Rudy Giuliani telling a Fox host he "can't prove" some claims of fraud.
Big win for Dominion.BREAKING: Dominion and Fox News settle for $787 million in defamation lawsuit
Apr 18, 2023
3:10
He just announced he is selling another tranche of NFT cards.Can't wait to hear what Trump says about this.
I don't know to what specific incident you are referring, but sometimes counties make mistakes and then correct them. Media outlets too. FWIW:Please splain to me how vote totals DROP in the middle of counting. ...
Why do that when it's now been ok'd to continue, business as usual?Maybe with this money they can fix their software so it doesn't cheat?
Kinda odd how "mistales" only seem to favor democrats.I don't know to what specific incident you are referring, but sometimes counties make mistakes and then correct them. Media outlets too. FWIW:
... Justin Nelson, a lawyer for Dominion, said the settlement includes a $787.5 million payment from Fox.
"The truth matters," Nelson said outside the courthouse. "Lies have consequences. Over two years ago, a torrent of lies swept Dominion and election officials across America into an alternative universe of conspiracy theories, causing grievous harm to Dominion and the country."
Fox more or less agreed. "We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems," it said in a press release. "We acknowledge the Court's rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards. We are hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues."
Even as Fox acknowledges a judge's determination that it repeatedly aired "false" allegations about Dominion, it claims to be upholding "the highest journalistic standards." Surely that means it will set the record straight. Not according to The Hill's Dominick Mastrangelo, who reports that a "source with knowledge of the Fox/Dominion settlement says the network will not be required to issue any on-air retractions or apologies as part of the deal."
...
As Davis noted when he rejected Fox's motion for summary judgment on March 31, Fox guests and hosts claimed that "Dominion committed election fraud"; that it "manipulated vote counts through its software and algorithms"; that it was "founded in Venezuela to rig elections for dictator Hugo Chavez"; and that it "paid kickbacks to government officials who used [its] machines in the Election." Davis said it was "CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true." He added that the statements were "defamatory per se," because they "strike at the basic integrity of [Dominion's] business" and "seem to charge Dominion with the serious crime of election fraud."
Fox argued that it was merely reporting newsworthy allegations by the president and his representatives. But Davis rejected that "neutral report privilege," saying it was not available under applicable case law. "Even if the neutral report privilege did apply," he added, "the evidence does not support that [Fox News] conducted good-faith, disinterested reporting."
Fox also argued that its presentation of Powell and Giuliani's allegations qualified as a "fair report" about judicial proceedings. That privilege, Davis ruled, "fails to shield Fox from liability" because only one of the challenged statements referred to a pending lawsuit, and that broadcast went beyond reporting on the case by asserting its "underlying facts."
Davis likewise was unimpressed by Fox's argument that statements by hosts like Lou Dobbs, who repeatedly lent credence to Powell's claims, were constitutionally protected expressions of opinion. Not so, said Davis. In an appendix, he went through all the relevant broadcasts, showing that statements Fox described as opinions included assertions of fact or were based on supposed evidence that neither Powell nor Giuliani ever produced.
Davis' ruling left Fox with one last line of defense: that it did not air the false and inherently defamatory statements about Dominion with "actual malice," meaning it did not know the statements were false or recklessly disregard that likelihood. But as Davis noted, Dominion had uncovered evidence that many people at Fox either were skeptical of the claims about the company or dismissed them outright.
Ten days after the election, Fox's fact-checking "Brainroom" said there was "no evidence of widespread fraud" and "no credible reports or evidence of any software issues." It added that "claims about Dominion switching or deleting votes are 100% false" and called assertions about supposedly deleted Trump votes "mathematically impossible."
Six days later, Murdoch privately called the story "really crazy stuff." That same day in a text conversation with fellow Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson flatly stated that "Sidney Powell is lying." Ingraham agreed that Powell could not be trusted: "Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy." In a deposition, Fox News host Sean Hannity said he "did not believe" Powell's claims "for a second."
In response to a post-election tweet about "vote dumping" from Maria Bartiromo, fellow Fox News host Bret Baier* told Jay Wallace, president and executive editor at Fox News and Fox Business, "none of [it] is true as far as we can tell." In a December 1 email, Baier said Powell's claims "can't be remotely true." Lucas Tomlinson, another Fox reporter, responded that the allegations were "100% not true" and "complete bullshit."
Gary Schreier, second in command at Fox Business, "believed the allegations were false at the time of airing," Davis noted. John Fawcett, an associate producer for Lou Dobbs Tonight, told colleagues that Powell seemed to be "doing lsd and cocaine and heroin and shrooms." In a text to Dobbs, Fawcett suggested that Powell "could be losing her mind." He noted that her story "doesn't make sense" and added, "I just don't think she is verifying anything she is saying." Tiffany Fazio, executive producer of Hannity's show, called Giuliani's account of systematic election fraud "comic book stuff."
...
I don't know to what specific incident you are referring, but sometimes counties make mistakes and then correct them. Media outlets too. FWIW:
Fact check: What's true about the 2020 election, vote counting, Electoral College
False claims about the election process are spreading online in wake of the 2020 election. Here's a list of our fact-checks on voting, counting, morewww.usatoday.com
CNN reporting isn't an official tabulation. If the secretary of state was reporting declining numbers, you could inquire with their office.
CNN reporting isn't an official tabulation. If the secretary of state was reporting declining numbers, you could inquire with their office.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?