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India to pay gold for Iran oil, China may follow
http://rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/

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The funny and untold part of the story is this:
Most of the Indian gold was bought from the IMF.
I bet you $10000 ( ) that the Indians have never taken delivery. There is speculation that the IMF doesn't even store gold, but just has paper claims on gold (mainly) stored by the NY FED. This came up in a subcomitee hearing chaired by Dr Paul:

If my speculation is true, India will have to take delivery of gold stored at the NY FED, because Iran will certainly NOT accept gold stored in New York.
 
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I remember what happenned the last time an oil producing nation tried to insert gold in to the picture. [hint: libya]
 
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Yeah, I mentioned this in the total perspective vortex thread earlier this morning. I didn't consider the IMF gold sale at the time. I'm sure India has some reserve (ie. non-IMF) gold that they can use. Most likely any gold being traded is paper claims to gold held by the LBMA system in London. I doubt Iran will be able to repatriate that, so it will be interesting to see if they insist on delivery or trading through a different exchange (PAGE? Shanghai?).
 
This does seem to come back to the core material in 'Another (Thoughts!)' which was the root of all the FOFOA stuff which has bubbled out of it since then (in fact, it is odd that the oil link is one of the things which is largely absent from FOFOA's interpretation).

...specifically, that gold has been used in part trade for oil, under the table, and that commitments here extend to unmined gold for 10 years into the future (although, the period originally quoted in 1997 has now expired).

If this is the case, then any country trying to use gold to buy oil would have to use their own locally held gold, and would probably be met with great resistance in trying to do so because it upsets any existing deals (partial payment with $ only, unmined gold) and the currency applecart at the same time.

Any attempt to use 'custodial' gold held somewhere else (London, NY) stands no chance of working, because it was already used for the same purpose, long ago.

Not saying it's true - or the only explanation. But it's another 'compatible view' on the many pieces still dancing in the air. One of many.
 
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Good thread! I agree that India almost surely did NOT take physical possession of their IMF gold they bought at $1040. And $1040, would be about as low as gold will ever get: "The India Put".

IMO, India and China would be "Los Estupidisimos" to pay for oil with gold. NO WAY I would pay gold for oil if President Bearing ran either country. Pay Iran with whatever fiat they would accept.
 
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More (highly recommended): http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/demise-petrodollar
 

More: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...declines-any-comment/articleshow/11634184.cms
 
Rickards weighs in:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...er_Spike_as_We_See_the_End_of_the_Dollar.html
 
Quite interesting PMBug. Think about the possible outcomes here. When Libya announced they wanted to form a gold dinar or some equivalent, what happened next? That's right, the ruler was killed and his prosperous country was bombed back in to the stone age. What happened to Iran when they announced they would no longer sell oil for dollars? We radically stepped up the saber rattling and accusations of nuclear ambitions. Now, we have two carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, waiting for the right time to bomb them back in to the stone age as well.

If the dollar loses hegemony, it's over for the USA.
 

http://gata.org/node/11039
 
You may have already seen this 4 part video. But it I thought it was informative on the whole Petrodollar, euro, war situation. I have no TV anymore so this is my entertainment

This is part 4 but you can find 1-3 on the tab to the right on you tube.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2012/04/22/the-best-reason-in-the-world-to-buy-gold/

I couldn't find any real evidence that China was planning to move forward with gold bartering, but it's a pretty logical assumption. Jim Sinclair seems to believe it's going to happen:


http://www.jsmineset.com/2012/04/23/the-implications-of-china-paying-in-gold/
 
There is a reason why India fired off a test missile proving to the world she has intercontinental ballistic capabilities.

I think it was literally a warning shot that other countries best not mess with her over her intentions to go this route.

India is no Libya. Besides it will be hard for the west to attack her under the guise of wanting to bring democracy there.
 

More: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wor...ies-that-consume-iran-oil-from-sanctions.html

Jim Sinclair says the West is standing with no chairs left and the music stopped already:

http://www.jsmineset.com/2012/06/12...d-economic-situation-the-west-has-ever-faced/
 
Rut row... Is China calling USA's bluff?


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/21/247330/china-raises-oil-imports-from-iran/
 
...mighty dollar in full retreat, if you ask me. The trend continues. If not accelerates...
 
I wish I still had the link to an interesting story that explained how India and Iran might do a gold for oil trade/barter.

The main point of the story is that India would likely be able to take a BIG discount off the nominal price of oil by paying LESS gold for the oil... And that Iran would accept.

Gold at approx. $1600 and oil at $80, at normal prices that would be 20 bbl of crude per oz of gold. I bet you that India could get 50 barrels of oil for each oz...
 
lol... USA folded...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/28/us-usa-iran-sanctions-china-idUSBRE85R16L20120628

:rotflmbo: at the part I bolded. I guess June 22 never happened.
 

http://www.jsmineset.com/2012/07/01/jims-mailbox-975/
 
India might have taken this decision due to the current spiraling of dollar exchange rates against rupees but they probably couldn't realize the fact that they would never ever be able to buy gold at the price which they currently have in their reserve
 
Switzerland has never really bowed down to anyone. Their strategic location makes a land invasion incredibly difficult, and the fact that every single adult has a rifle and ammunition helps as well. Their importance in international finance makes them someone we had better not mess around with, because while they are small, a huge proportion of the worlds wealth resides there, and as we all know, he who has the gold gets to play by different rules.
 
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That's slightly overstated. Switzerland is slowly losing it's sovereignty to the EU / UN / IMF etc. It's a slow process but the trend is worrying. We're abandoning our traditions and principles, just like the US started in 1913. We started in the early 1990s when we went off the gold standard.
 
Turkey looks to be the gateway...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/iran-...8-billion-ytd-gold-increasingly-used-currency
 
For Thanksgiving I am going to give thanks for Turkey, and then eat one.
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...out-Russias-oil-for-goods-deal-with-Iran.html
 
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