Manipulation investigations may have legs

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Normally, my eyes glaze over when I see reports about investigations into precious metals market manipulations. I don't expect any regulators or govco investigators to do anything other sweep dirt under a rug should they happen to see anything (I'm looking at you Bart Chilton and the CFTC). But this is interesting...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-28/ubs-about-blow-cover-massive-gold-price-rigging-scandal
 
There are so many little to moderate size fires, and persistent ones going on in so many places right now, I can't help but think something is going to happen to really cause a lot of major problems. If it doesn't happen before barry's out or soon there after we might be ok.
 
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The tempo DOES seem to have picked up lately re some kind of RESET or whatever. But, all of this has dragged out far longer than I thought it would.

These investigations seem to get a little bit of airtime (in the alt-media, like here or ZH), but then mysteriously disappear... Like no one really wants to investigate...

It MAY be that we will have to wait until something big & obvious (and understandable) hits, like a default on physical gold by the COMEX or whatever.

JESSE at his blog follows gold manipulation closely, and his rhetoric has been ramping up...

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Whoa! DB is singing like a bird now.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...its-it-also-rigged-gold-prices-legal-settleme
 
saw this a few weeks ago Bug

Wondered how I could quantify my losses .........

Its a small but significant chunk of digits every time they knock it down but so hard to know when it was actual market sentiment and what if theres evidence of the price being managed upwards in the 'rinse and repeat' game ?
 
It's even harder to do when all that shiny you supposedly acquired is sitting at the bottom of a lake somewhere.
 
yes you further make my case for the difficulty in quantifying.

Apparently it will all come good one day though (-:
 
So, how about those folks at the CFTC, huh? They sure move fast!


https://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/8799/cftc-fines-banks-precious-metal-price-manipulation
 
spoofing is a bit more subtle than the wholesale dumping of futures on globex in the small hours when theres not much trading.
So why do they only go after the spoofers who 'talk it up/down a bit' then pull their bid ?
How does this differ from the HFT algos that only exist to do this ?

It feels like a show cos 'we probably ought to show everyone we are proper market regulators'

In this article -

http://averybgoodman.com/myblog/201...l-short-covering-dig-in-for-range-bound-play/

he explains how and why the manipulation occurs and talks about 'wash trades' where the banks have a need to make it look like there's a market. These trades are collusion and the regulators are happy to go after the perps but the primary manipulation is a no go area.
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/06/ex-...ds-guilty-to-manipulating-metals-markets.html
 
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$168 million dollars. Is that a slap on the wrist? Without knowing the extent of the nefarious trading, it's hard to say.
 

 
That would be a reasonable argument if it were just the players effected but the manipulation effected the holdings of every gold holder.
 
Yeah, I haven't seen the data on the volume or frequency of the spoofed bids, but I suspect it would paint a clear picture of manipulation. What they did isn't within the purvue of Joe Public,
 
lulz...


 


A billion here, a billion there. Eventually you're talking about serious money.
 
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