negative interest rates (NIRP)

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mike

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I assume everyone has heard that the ECB now has negative interest rates (-0.10) for its member banks' deposits. How long before the banks do the same to their depositors?

LOL @ all the MSM talking heads out there who belittled PMs because they don't give interest.

:rotflmbo:
 
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I saw that too. Cash at the Bank of Sealy now will earn more and be safer than at the normal banks.

And if the Chinese copper & aluminum fakery spreads to gold?

CA$H, Bitcoin and gold should all be held.



Throw in a little Pb and Pt for spice! Also:
 
I was out of town for a few days, and it wasn't convenient to spend time on the internets, so I've been MIA from the forums. This was one news items which I did want to address though.

They finally released the Kraken (one year later).

A former Dallas Fed president wrote a piece in Forbes suggesting that the Fed might have to do the same to handle their excess reserve deposits:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobmcteer/2014/06/05/the-ecbs-negative-interest-rate/

Is the race to the bottom accelerating?
 
Inflation bothers me.

Figure we run at 10% a year. COLAS been 2%. 5 years time is 40%. So 2014 dollar is 40% less then 2008 dollar.

People get excited of wedge issues. But this is my costs to have a roof over my head and go to the grocery store .

We have been robbed- even 40% in the past 5 years.

The movement is aimless and the goals are murky- for all practical purposes the liberty movement is dead.
 
That's for sure. The way I see things happening now is a slow burn, then collapse of the markets. After that, the dollar. After that, some nastiness I have no desire to experience.
 
Taxing bank deposits is a great way to insure banks become even less solvent than they currently are. I wonder if they'll start passing laws about how much and how frequently you can withdraw or deposit so that people can't pull their money out and only put it what they need to service a credit card.
 
We're almost there on a practical level even without laws to specifically enforce that. Banks administrative policies will limit how much you can withdraw at a given time (if you want too much, they will need a few days to have cash delivered so you have to wait). If you can't explain your need for large (or frequent) withdrawals, they might report you to the Feds.
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...ult-more-currency-wars-and-global-growth-slow
 
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Yup, it seems more and more of the world is moving to NIRP territory, and even considering upping the ante in the "War on Cash".

Ugh. I just cannot see how this ends well.
 
* bump *


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tive-rates-denmark-may-be-the-first-to-try-it


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ative-rates-as-potential-crisis-fighting-tool
 
I can't believe I posted this almost 5 years ago, and there is still NIRP and ZIRP all over the world.
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-be-lowered-further-snb-s-jordan-tells-blick
 

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...egative-rates-and-now-it-can-t-find-a-way-out
 

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ngs-to-offer-glimpse-into-negative-rate-abyss
 

More: https://blog.pimco.com/en/2019/08/interest-rates-naturally-negative

I can only imagine how much gold central banks would start buying if US Treasuries had negative yields.
 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-09/reserve-bank-cuts-economic-forecasts-again/11399576

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...-first-time-in-danish-rate-history/ar-AAFtb2Z
 

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/econ...cial-political-poison-KNu4O39sr0CgSTvznJQieg/
 

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-broke-black-scholes-pillar-of-modern-finance
 
I ponder the concept of borrowing a large amount of fiat at close to zero or zero and buying gold with the money, with the gold acting as security on the loan.

If it goes wrong, well the business goes bust, sorry.
If it goes well, the gov get their capital gain and i get the rest (-:

Got to be a better plan than bonds or deposits at a negative rate .........
 
I read this and didnt feel very convinced by his arguments

Bank profit works on the difference between borrowing costs and lending charges and will generally be the same margin regardless of the base rate.

Have people stopped depositing their savings ? If so what are they doing with this spare money ?
If banks need funds to create loans ( and I thought they could create a loan through shadow banking at the stroke of a key) then surely the CB can offer them funds ?

The suggestion that people instinctively borrow less when we get to zirp or nirp also doesn't make sense to me.
I reckon they arent borrowing because well 'if it seems too good to be true .....' and at some point there will be an uptake of borrowing as a 10 year loan fixed at bugger all kinda makes sense if you need somewhere to live but are we holding back from business loans because we are 'waiting for the other shoe to drop' ?
 
Well, Italian banking sector appears to agree with it...


https://www.reuters.com/article/unicredit-rates-idUSL5N26U440
 

http://gata.org/node/19554

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ng-negative-rates-to-a-wider-group-of-clients

Gee, where should folks put their money if the banks don't want it? Gee, I wonder...
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ative-interest-rates-by-year-end?srnd=premium
 

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ting-wall-street-bankers-on-edge?srnd=premium
 
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