Petrodollar and WWIII

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Decent summary of how the petrodollar system is driving world events:
More: http://www.crisishq.com/why-prepare/world-war-3-preserving-petrodollar/
 
man, that video has gone viral. Got it thirty different ways in the last couple of days. (Good video, BTW).
 
lol... I didn't even see/watch the video.
 
Decent summary of how the petrodollar system is driving world events:

More: http://www.crisishq.com/why-prepare/world-war-3-preserving-petrodollar/

I was actually discussing this with some Finance PHDs the other day. It is already a commonly held belief that the only viable way out of debt for the U.S. is inflation. On top of that, if the dollar stops being the global reserve currency it will have lower demand. Like any other commodity, if it has less demand it will lose value.
 
...have they put some hard numbers behind how big that inflation would need to be, to cover the mountains of monopoly money created by financial industry?? That would be interesting to read. Considering that derivatives market is believed to be one to two orders of magnitude bigger than "physical" world economy, does it mean, that we need that level of inflation, to get to the point when every "empty" dollar could be covered with something tangible?

I agree, as for the principle, there is NO WAY, that politicians/central bankers would allow other solution than inflation, to deal with the current levels of debt. Question remains, will it be enough, and more importantly, can they print fast enough, to cover for all the shams going on in the financial industry? It is better to weather-proof people's roofs, instead of installing pumps in their houses, if you want to keep the rain water out, so to speak. Unless, you are pump manufacturer, of course
 
Anonymous sources cited, so take with a grain of salt:
http://www.indymedia.co.uk/en/2012/09/500358.html
 
What's funny is all the banks awhile back saying "no net exposure" on all those derivatives. If that were true, why not just look at one another and say "good-good?", and drop the entire mess. It's just paper.
 
What's funny is all the banks awhile back saying "no net exposure" on all those derivatives. If that were true, why not just look at one another and say "good-good?", and drop the entire mess. It's just paper.

First of all, if they are net-zero, why have them at all (I call BS on that), secondly even assuming it is net-zero, it still multiplies the risks, not reduces them - in the event, that starts unwinding some of them big time - there will be interconnected cascade of exposures, bankrupting different actors with different timing - all that stuff will not cancel each other simultaneously. Thus there will be chain of blow-outs, rather than single "cancel-all" event, IMHO
 

More: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-...blocakde-turkey-dubai-iran-petrogold-triangle
 
..me wonders - how much Iranian oil buys one OZ of gold? I would take a guess, that it will be much MORE oil, than if it would be paid in equivalent of petrodollars. Any thoughts? If I was Iran, and was shut off the main markets, and some nice Chinese, Indians or Russian people show up with crates of the yellow stuff, I'd be more than happy to pay them a handsome premium in oil, for their gold.

which, in turn,would only undermine petrodollar further - why, no doubt whomever buys the oil, would surely like to convert his plunging dollars into gold, pay for the oil in gold, and get more oil for the same money. I think it is quite possible scenario.
 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323751104578150803540506358.html
 
...does anyone notice, how "acquire U.S. dollars or precious metals" is suddenly being mentioned in one sentence? So, what is it, again, a "tradition", or maybe.... money?! Mr. Bernanke, care to elaborate more?? ffftt:
 

More: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/07/turkey-gold-idUSL5N0B776O20130207
 
Looks like this issue may be heating up again soon:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-16/petrodollar-petrogold-us-now-trying-cut-irans-access-gold
 
So, what if they stop the flow of gold to Iran, then what? Maybe the diamond trade will heat up as smuggling diamonds is a whole lot easier than smuggling gold, especially through metal detectors. And diamonds have a another advantage, higher concentration of value, meaning far fewer potential interceptions enroute for the same value.
 

Iran exports 1.5 million barrels per day. That's a lot of diamonds in your socks.
 
I occasionally read Ben Fulfords stuff and while I do not take it seriously, I link his latest stuff because of the way he explains the observable facts regarding shipping and oil and Chinese banks not giving out US $ to anyone -


https://kauilapele.wordpress.com/20...umping-20-oil-attacks-on-gold-mines-and-more/


Theres a lot more but heres a snip -

 
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Food for thought:
More: http://dailyreckoning.com/petro-sdr-world-money/
 
Food for thought:

"The U.S. is no longer dependent on Saudi Arabia for energy supplies. It has become a net exporter of energy and has the largest oil reserves in the world."

N.D. says you're welcome! ffftt: We've got energy coming out our ass. We've got hydro power with Garrison dam, we've got coal plants, we've got a ton of the big windmills (we're the saudi arabia of wind!) and more going up, now they are adding a huge solar array near the N.D./S.D. border, that's all in addition to the oil and nat. gas we've been shipping out in huge quantities. It's not as busy as it was, but still producing ~ 1mil barrels of oil/day. Thats with the rig count WAY down.
 
Decent summary of the petrodollar system and the various variables at play:


https://mises.org/wire/huge-debt-got-us-hooked-petrodollars-—-and-saudi-arabia

Two points:
  1. The Fed is already (indirectly) monetizing the debt.
  2. The author didn't consider another possible consequence of financial distress - war.
 
OPEC+ has fallen apart. The Saudis and Russia are in a full on oil price war - ramping up production and selling oil well below production cost.

What does that mean for the petrodollar? Less international demand for dollars. Less international demand for US Treasuries ... to support the oil trade anyway. There is an increase in safe haven demand as financial markets are crashing, but that should reach an equilibrium at some point, shouldn't it?


https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-says-it-can-weather-25-oil-10-years
 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-opec-saudi-idUSKBN20X13Q
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...utput-boost-to-join-the-price-war/ar-BB112clb

Oil is going to be dirt cheap for a while it seems.
 
Unfortunately, time to bump this old thread...

 
The war around oil and other resources has been running in the background for at least 100 years

you don’t need oil
eerr our renewables don’t seem to quite cut it
heh then you need our surplus light sweet shale oil / LNG

but we can buy that locally from Norway and we need some heavy sour to blend it with to make the fuels we actually need
and eerrr we do seem to need a lot of gas ……

and now Russia has chosen its hill to die on and it will not go alone
 
Russia is offering to buy gold below the current market price. I'm struggling to understand why that incentivises anyone to actually sell gold to them.
 
I guess if you are unable to transact in forbidden currencies and need to convert your gold to make a payment, you have the guaranteed Central bank price .....
I guess if the Rouble is being underwritten /backed by gold then the reverse process should be an option ?
I am equally confused and would have thought that rather than fixing the amount of gold per rouble, it should float to match daily market prices ?
 
Best I can figure, it's a gambit to get buyers of Russian oil/gas to sell their gold to Russia to get Rubles so they can buy the gas/oil. I think most of Europe is going to balk. There might be some short term compliance, but I don't believe this will be sustainable over even the medium term.
 
Those who have aligned with 'the west' and agreed to apply sanctions to Russia will not be easily or quickly forgiven.
If Russia can realign to the east, like many commentators say is now is inevitable, then 'the west' has to find its energy to a much greater extent, from its own area

Putie has been planning this operation for a long time and likely so has the seeeyeay- pentagon.
We will see who 'wins' but know it will not be europe or ukraine nor the billions of regular folk around the world.
 
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