Drumbeats for the cashless society

Bottom Feeder said:

Shoppers who pay in cash are subsidizing credit card reward points

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This, just as a new fraud has come out - "Shimming," which entails jamming a thin printed micro-circuitboard into the card feed, which reads card and transaction data. As opposed to "skimming," which was (and is) a printed-circuitboard plastic overlay on a key pad.

Yet the Masterminds still want to push us into this Cashless dystopia. And they lack the ability to reconsider their conclusions and plans on new evidence and consequences.

*Note: Playing around on some military type websites this morning and came across this article from 2018. Thought it was interesting and decided to share. If interested take it fwiw, dyodd & make of it what you will.

Virtual Currency in a Cashless Society: A Potential Window into Economic Cyberwarfare​

A bit of a side tangent...yesterday, I was going to take a few days off and hike in Glacier.

I've got a new camping rig - I'm trying Van Life, now; sold my pickup (used for hauling mortarsickles, but no moar) and bought this old-but-solid Toyota van, cheap. It's 20 years old with 150k miles, so I'm still getting to know it. Local trips don't tell the whole story.

The plan was, get to Glacier, set up camp, do the thing, have a good time...see if there's room enough, if the bed I've fabricated, works, if my electrical-power scheme pans out, if an old electric blanket takes the place of a heater inside. You know.

The trip was fine - I'm only 150 miles outside the park - but, the campsite was impossible. Here's why: First, they don't allow walk-ups. Only reservations.

Only PAID reservations. Yeah, okay...that's an ugly trend we've seen.

SECOND...you can only MAKE those pre-paid reservations...WITH AN APP.

NOT on your computer. Only the phone app will allow it.

It doesn't say that on their web page. You can access the web page with your computer; you just can't move to reserving an open site. Only the app.

Only PAY through that app.

Here's the problem: What is an "app"?

An "app" is instructions to DOWNLOAD A PROGRAM from the repository the stupefone has on record. An app is not the program - it's instructions to RETRIEVE the program, for the session.

You don't know who wrote the program. The program written last week, when the App Store accepted it in their repository, may have been replaced yesterday with an "updated" program. Which may or may not have backdoors, malware, or security glitches, intentional or not.

To put it short: a Stupefone or tablet has LESS security than your library's public-access computer. Would you do your banking at the library, on their computer? Most people I know wouldn't access the bank or even email off the library's Wi-Fi, even. Which itself poses risks.

You can control your computer. You can remove programs; deactivate others, cut off internet access. Add or remove files. Monitor activity, actual traffic, online. Used to be, when your hard drive started humming, and you were doing nothing, you'd look to see what inputs you have on your internet connection. You'd been hacked; cut off the connection and then do a scan for a root kit.

Can't do that with a phone.

So...I don't do email, or banking, or money, or any of the "pay" apps, on my Stupefone.

So...I can't have a campsite in a National Park, now. I get the free access as a 65-plus disabled veteran; but it's meaningless because any time money is involved...the United States Park Service, will not take United States currency from a United States citizen and veteran of their military.

It's a small thing, but I'm still torqued.

Side note: What did I do? I was directed to some Forest Service primitive campsites about 20 miles outside the park, but the "ranger" (DEI hire fee-mail) didn't tell me, didn't know, that the Hungry Horse area campsites were on OHV-trails. Jeep trails. A minivan won't make them there.

That left the usual commercial campsites, all of them brimming with people who couldn't get into Agpar Campsite...so I just said, fuggitt. I had a nice hike - already in the park; but the road through was closed (God knows why) and the park was packed...this wasn't working out.

Government efficiency.

Government nudging...us, into their wonderful Cashless Utopia. Where all our records are there for their inspection. AND where it's easy for this scum to hack/scam their way into our FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS.

They replaced a small problem - the logistics of money-handling - with a massive new problem for customer-users.

You should send the park service a strongly worded letter.

pmbug said:

You should send the park service a strongly worded letter.

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Or start a fire.

Viking said:

Or start a fire.

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Bee-LEEVE me, I've thought about it.

I had a tumultuous past, and...well, let's just leave it behind. I'm a forceful old man; but as a twentysomething, I was close to dangerous...

Yep, I concur casey, tried to update my retirement tax deductions and was REQUIRED to download an app (on a stupidfone) to continue. After about an hour on the telephone I finally connected with a human being who, after even moar wasted time, finally was able to reduce the deduction to my requested amount.
everybody GOTS to have a stupidfone to do shit now

Bottom Feeder said:

Yep, I concur casey, tried to update my retirement tax deductions and was REQUIRED to download an app (on a stupidfone) to continue. After about an hour on the telephone I finally connected with a human being who, after even moar wasted time, finally was able to reduce the deduction to my requested amount.
everybody GOTS to have a stupidfone to do shit now

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And that is not accidental.

It's a spy/monitoring and tracking device. They've already seduced all they can with the (USAID-subsidized) "social" mediuh; and now it's time for the stick.

I can (not happily) comply (to the minimum required) in using a Stupefone to do some stuff; but making my bank/finances/medical-information/credit/personal data, is a bridge too far.

I don't know what the hell I'm going to do in the years ahead. Pray for collapse, probably. It'll be just as bad, with my retirement ended; but as it's shaping up, not any worse.

And it does no good to bitch. I'm always getting that: "Why don't you just get a cell phone and make it easier on yourself?" bullshit back when I do. I used burner flip phones for a while, but they got too expensive. They were phones, not tiny computers. And no texting on em and I changed my cell number with each new burner (about once a year).

pmbug said:

You should send the park service a strongly worded letter.

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A revisit to the problem a few days later.

First, the irony hit me: There is NO EMAIL I can send to any National Park Service office. No Customer Service office. No Complaint Department manager ("Our Complaint Manager is Helen Waite. You have a complaint, go to Helen Waite...").

I have a PAPER form, printed on the top and bottom, space for a handwritten response.

Let's just say my penmanship sucks. I have lousy eye-hand coordination; teachers used to mark me down for my handwriting. I taught myself typing early just to get around the problem, which had me all set for the first phase of the computer revolution.

I could type up the complaint, articulately - and if I forwarded a copy to my Congresscretin, I bet I'd get a response.

BUT THERE ARE NO MORE TYPEWRITERS anymore.

On first-generation printers (Daisy-Wheel) I could roll that paper in and have the printer type in the center. Not possible now with the inkjet printers. Especially since I don't HAVE one - I don't print enough to make it worth my buying, the few times I need something printed, I take it to Kinkos. Flash drive plugs into their printer. All automated now - don't even have to bother the drooling, tatted freaks at the counter.

I could do a See-Attached on the form and print the thing out on a second sheet...but the way that Complaint Form is, it's tri-folded, intended to be tape-sealed and mailed without an envelope.

I could address an envelope, of course, but I expect they'd just toss it because it doesn't fit in with their expected shape/form/weight. The square-peg/round-hole problem.

But the irony. I can NOT pay actual money for the service/privilege/gate-fee I am requesting: An overnight camping site. ONLY ELECTRONIC.

Yet I can NOT address any ISSUES I have, electronically! Know what that tells me about my complaint, and what they do with complaints? The Rotary File.

Online, using the crude AI that Brave Search offers, leads me to a long series of Reddit threads of others having similar issues. So obviously they know and understand, and obviously, they've sent the issue to Zorro Fox Gibbon.

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Hey Casey - your post got me curious. Haven't been to a national park in years so I decided to look around on their website. Came up with this:


Contact The National Park Service

Don't know if it will do you any good but maybe worth a look see.

You can also try contacting your US Congressman/Representative to voice your complaint. Might be like farting into the wind, but maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. They do seem to care when older constituents are grumpy because they generally vote (and talk to each other).

they'll just wait until all us old ducks die off then they won't hafta deal with it

searcher said:

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Hey Casey - your post got me curious. Haven't been to a national park in years so I decided to look around on their website. Came up with this:


Contact The National Park Service

Don't know if it will do you any good but maybe worth a look see.

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I'll fish around, see if there's an email link that works.

There's no hyperlink from Recreation.gov, which is the site handling park information and fees.

Not surprising - that second site is pretty crude in layout, and designed to be actually used (reservations made) via phone/payment app.

I had considered walking into one of my Congresscretin's offices (two senators, one Houseplant...the Senators are less busy, given our unique demographics, one House mouse for the whole state)...but they surely know about it.

And either are with the program or are okay with the program. It pushes the Elite fantasy - CONTROL of the Unwashed.

I won't make that trip; I'll save bothering the irritable Nobility who resent standing for elections, for something that matters. This is...just the way it is, now.

National Parks are not for the People, anymore. They're for someone, something, else.

Somewhat related.

SCMP

Legal tender and electronic payments – can we insist on paying in cash?​

Answer lies in common law's approach to concept of legal tender

When a tourist tried to pay for a burger in cash at a Tsim Sha Tsui restaurant in 2023, staff refused. The outlet accepted only cards and electronic wallets.

The episode went viral, with debate raging over whether or not this is legal.

After all, Hong Kong bank notes and coins constitute legal tender in Hong Kong under the Legal Tender Notes Issue Ordinance and the Coinage Ordinance, and the concept of legal tender is enshrined in the Basic Law (Article 111). What's the use of having legal tender if shops can refuse to accept them willy-nilly?

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https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/othe...n-paying-in-cash/ar-AA27woOX?ocid=socialshare

Cross post from the Russia thread. Goes to show the importance of having cash during civil unrest, natural disasters, etc.

Good read if interested.

The Telegraph

Why Sweden is abandoning its cashless society​

Sweden was predicted to become entirely cashless by 2030.

As the country developed its own mobile payment system, called Swish, banks slowly stopped handling cash, and tills disappeared from shops.

With cash circulation the lowest as a share of GDP in the world, Swedish progress was lauded, and observers wondered how it had forged so far ahead of the rest of Europe so quickly.

It all changed when Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine.

Realizing that reliance on an electronic payment system left Sweden vulnerable to blackouts or sabotage, the Riksbank – Sweden’s central bank – urged civilians to keep 1,000 Swedish kronor (£80) per adult at home.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/eco...cashless-society/ar-AA2dZzy8?ocid=socialshare

On Wednesday, the Mexican government inched closer to passing a law that would begin the process of phasing out cash payments and requiring digital payments.

The “Digital Economy Law” was first introduced by President Claudia Sheinbaum in early September and has since moved rapidly through official commissions and the Chamber of Deputies. Most recently, on October 14, the bill passed out of two Senate commissions and now awaits a full Senate vote in the coming weeks.

The bill is part of an ongoing effort by the Sheinbaum government and the Morena party to expand the digitization of Mexico’s economy. It instructs Mexico’s Ministry of Finance and Public Credit (SHCP) to designate which business sectors will eventually only accept digital and electronic forms of payment.

While Mexico already has existing digital infrastructure, such as the SPEI (Sistema de Pagos Electrónicos Interbancarios) and the CoDi and DiMo networks, the public’s embrace of these systems has been slow. The Digital Economy Law is aimed at increasing the use of such digital payment platforms.

However, in a country where somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of all transactions are done in cash, it remains to be seen how the law will be implemented and enforced. Some critics of the bill have argued that the language of the bill does not make it clear which types of businesses will be compelled to only accept digital payments.
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Perennial turd-world hellholes like Mejico, with a mean population IQ of under 90, want to force the peasantry into electronic currency. This, while being unable to even maintain an affordable power grid.

Meantime, Sweden, not yet assimilating the grading-curve valedictorians from Africa...sees the PROBLEMS in cashlessness. And we don't even hear about what Switzerland (Greater Davos) is doing. Mum's the word...obviously, because the Cashless Society is for **THOSE PEOPLE**. Not We-The-Superelite.

pmbug said:

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The Mexican Government Is Close to Approving a Law Aimed at Removing the Use of Cash

Will an effort to limit and eventually ban cash payments work in a nation where 80 to 90 percent of payments are made in cash? On Wednesday, the Mexican government inched closer to passing a law that would begin the process of phasing out cash payments and requiring digital payments. The...

www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

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