Privacy4cars.com - delete information your cars collect about you

[Viking]

 

[Casey Jones]

A number of things.

That voice...is AI. Now, it may just be masking, for a creator who wants to stay anon; but before I go ripping my $100k truck apart, I want a bit more assurance. Like someone I can talk to, who's done it.

Second. I'm glad Massie and others have tried to redact this section of the bill. But...let's look at recent history, shall we? HOW MANY attempts have we seen to repeal Bammykair? We got the mandate to buy it, redacted...but not the right to buy ACTUAL health insurance, the kind we had before Barry fixed it, the kind that we could afford, that protected us from medical catastrophes.

We already know how GM, et al, is going to fix this Two-Torx Solution for us. They already are doing it, with other issues. The CAN-BUSS....replace a battery in your new car, and everything dummies up. The hundred-or-so computer processors won't ALLOW anything to work, until the system is "flashed."

By a technician. Using proprietary software. FROM A DEALER.

He used to be called Mister Goodwrench. Now he's Remove-Replace-Reflash. With a huge bill.

This, after a three-week wait, your car and its $1200/month payments, sitting in the back of the dealer lot...because all the dealers are behind.

Because they pay their "technicians" Starbucks wages, while charging you Brain-Surgery rates.

There will quickly be an "outcry" from the Safety Cultists that their Nanny-State system can so-quickly be defeated...they'll put in checks, to PREVENT OPERATION unless this wonderful little processor is in there, recording everything and sending it to Data Centers.

And our goobermint MADE this mess, and CAN NOT clean it up. Because the Dumbo dolts, and the RINO re-tards, DO NOT EVEN READ THE G-D BILLS THEY SIGN.

 

[Viking]

Well, it's happened.

And, yes. The reason it's happened is, people are too stupid to be motivated to block it; too stupid to not buy it; too stupid to not see that it will inconvenience them, maybe harm them, PERSONALLY.

It's been this way since that G-D exploding air-bag...the safety device that kills. THAT should have been STOPPED.

Then, these GD fuel-economy standards. Wanna know why modern cars are so fragile, that an unfortunate trip over a curbstone will tear a wheel off and total your car? Those are why. Wanna know why the tiny four cylinder engine is PACKED into the engine bay, SIDEWAYS, on the surviving modern cars? Why it costs $4000 JUST TO PULL the engine, before even repairing it? The fuel economy standards demand FWD, and transverse mounting lessens friction from the driveline. So you HAVE to have one of these gee-whiz cars - or else a hulking, six-figure Bro-Dozer. Nope, the Ford Crown Vic was OUTLAWED, by CAFE.

Then there's ethanol in gasoline. That has shortened the lives of engine components - to where it's not economical to repair the cumulative damage in older cars.

THEN, all the "Driving Assists" that are now obligatory. With a hundred little computers controlling them, and running power through the "Canbuss." Change the battery, the whole system has to be flashed. YOU cannot DO it. Joe at Joe's Auto Fix, cannot do it. FORD has to do it; and Ford has to be paid.

Now this bovine scat.

Yes, it is time to STOP BUYING. It will be painful, but not only is there no other way, but these things are neither economically justified, for their short useful lives, given the propensity of electronics to fail...nor can they BE lived with.

Find another way. Bike-and-bus, or golf-car, or buy a used bus and carpool with 30 of your best friends.

There are forums that discuss this.

I had looked into doing something similar with my Tahoe:

Post in thread 'Privacy4cars.com - delete information your cars collect about you'

Jul 12, 2025

I looked into disabling the OnStar on my Tahoe. It is possible, but not easily done. I plan on selling it in a few years anyway, so I have left it alone.

• Viking

Looked pretty involved to bother with for a vehicle I plan on selling in a couple of years.

 

[searcher]

Enhanced License Plate Tracking - Schneier on Security

The surveillance company Leonardo wants more data: A surveillance company plans to add sensors to automatic license plate readers (ALPRs) that would mean the devices, as well as capture the license plate of passing vehicles, would also sweep up unique identifiers of mobile phones, wearables, and...

www.schneier.com

Not Just License Plates: They’re Going to Track So Much More​

Jun 22, 2026
A company has been issued a patent to track many of the devices inside your car as it drives by an ALPR - and this new tracker could be deployed "off-road" according to the patent.


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[Joe King]

^^^^ they see people's attempts to thwart their tracking, so they will make it so it cannot be avoided.

Also, will a faraday bag even help?

Phones have accelerometers in them. So if the telco knows the gps location of a device when it went dark (into the bag) and the location when it goes live again (comes out of the bag), all that needs to happen is for accelerometer data to be saved to be uploaded when a connection becomes available.

That's what phones supposedly do when in airplane mode. Ie: Saves your location data for later upload.

So it seems to me that it wouldn't be too difficult to recreate a path using that data. It would also show long stops you took, as well as short ones that could easily be matched to intersections and traffic lights along your path.


The more I think about it, the more I think that the only way to truly stop the tracking that we might have any control over, would be to get a cell phone and gps jammer and carry it with you everywhere.
.....and the problem there is that that is illegal.

Only way it might work long term, would be if it were of low enough power to only block signals in an area the size of one's own car. Or maybe just the cars immediately around you.

If you are going around jamming everything within 100 yards of you and driving regular routes at regular times, you'll eventually get caught.



BTW, if anyone is interested, there is an app called phyphox that will give you direct access to the sensors on your phone. Including the accelerometers.
It seems safe, as it has not attempted to "phone home" or do anything else other than just work as advertised.

No connection attempts or unwarranted permissions needed to install or run it.
....and it's kinda cool to play around with. It's designed to allow you to do physics experiments with your phone.

 

[Casey Jones]

^^^ they see people's attempts to thwart their tracking, so they will make it so it cannot be avoided

They will continue to push until they're stopped.

They're CONTROL FREAKS.

And there's no check in place, to their sociopathology.

 

[Viking]

^^^^ they see people's attempts to thwart their tracking, so they will make it so it cannot be avoided.

Also, will a faraday bag even help?

Phones have accelerometers in them. So if the telco knows the gps location of a device when it went dark (into the bag) and the location when it goes live again (comes out of the bag), all that needs to happen is for accelerometer data to be saved to be uploaded when a connection becomes available.

That's what phones supposedly do when in airplane mode. Ie: Saves your location data for later upload.

So it seems to me that it wouldn't be too difficult to recreate a path using that data. It would also show long stops you took, as well as short ones that could easily be matched to intersections and traffic lights along your path.

Shake and spin the faraday bags once and a while?

 

[Casey Jones]

My solution of the moment, is to leave the phone at home.

I have an obsoleted (but fine condition) old non-smart phone. It can and does call 9-1-1 (I have tested it). THAT is the phone I travel with, now, if I'm not likely to need to call anyone to chit-chat.

That's important, since, now, prepaid phones are getting so expensive (everything is "SMART") that buying burners is a burden.

 

[Joe King]

Shake and spin the faraday bags once and a while?

Maybe, but how far can you move your arm?

Driving down the road, I don't think that won't work because the motion of the flipping or turning of a phone that you could physically do inside a car, would be insignificant relative to the motion of the car.

 

[Joe King]

My solution of the moment, is to leave the phone at home

That's probably the only real solution.
....but then still got the flock cameras as well as all the other flock-like companies with cameras everywhere recording your cars movements.

I have an obsoleted (but fine condition) old non-smart phone. It can and does call 9-1-1 (I have tested it). THAT is the phone I travel with, now, if I'm not likely to need to call anyone to chit-chat.

Do you ever let it connect to the internet? Was it ever in service on your account?