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Rising rates are causing increased mortgage debt in spite of declining originations. CC debt growing thanks to double whammy of inflation at the store and rising rates on servicing debt. At some point, debt service is going to impact consumer spending, but apparently we aren't there yet - the Fed is going to keep raising rates for the time being.
 

Credit Card Nightmares: How Everyday Americans Stay Broke!​

May 21, 2023

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US credit card debt has reached $986 Billion as people are using their credit cards to pay for every days expenses. Americans are broke because their wages are not rising as fast as inflation and they have an average of $7,700 in credit card balances that they are paying about 20% interest on.

Most people worry about the interest rates they get on their bank CDs, T-Bills or Money Market accounts, but they do not use their savings to pay off their credit card debt. This is one of the reasons that many Americans can not get out of credit card debt and stay broke. Should you use your savings to pay off your credit card debt?
 

Forever in debt: Why U.S. loans are getting longer​

June 5, 2023

NEW YORK, June 5 (Reuters) - Consumers facing high asset prices and rising interest rates have a few loan options. None are particularly attractive.

Buyers of homes or new cars might be better off waiting. But if you must go ahead, either face taking on a big monthly payment, or stretching out the loan term to keep the monthly bill down - as many are doing.

New car loans lasting 73-84 months (over six years) rose to 34.4% of the market in 2022 from 28.6% in 2018, according to auto information site Edmunds. A few borrowers are going even longer, with less than 1% of new car loans lasting 85 months or more.

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Can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

I think a lot of people are betting that we're all gonna implode, and this debt won't matter. Nothing will - we won't be driving to work or going to work. We'll be bugging out of our homes before they're even foreclosed.

I don't know that I subscribe to that moral stance, although I think they're probably right about the crash. It's something to think about.
 
The economy and money supply can NOT expand without an expansion of Debt at the same time. It's how a debt based system "works".
 
The economy and money supply can NOT expand without an expansion of Debt at the same time. It's how a debt based system "works".
It works until it doesn't work anymore.

ALL fiat currencies die. We're watching the death throes of this one.

How to expand an economy without debt? PRODUCTIVITY.

Make more; make it smarter; profit from it and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
 
Open domestic oil production.
 
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Whether it's reasonable or NOT...we do NOT want government interfering in private affairs! Then the cost of credit, like the cost of EVERY OTHER politicized good or service...becomes a function OF POLITICS.

Which is how our healthcare system got so sick, and now so deliberately lethal.

You no like the interest? CLOSE THE ACCOUNT! It's not rocket science. If you can't pay it back, don't BORROW!

After years of chasing the low-interest cards; and then, the year-long teaser promotional rates...and now, with Citi Criminal Consortium owning almost all the issuing banks...I now have three cards, two from credit unions, one from Citimob...and I have this much on balance:

$0.00

The only way I'd run up the balance now, is if I were about to bug out and go dark. Even bankruptcy is not a refuge...again, because these things became POLITICAL.
 
Doing that without a plan to get OUT of the rut, is insanity.

The time to close accounts and cut up cards is BEFORE you're even tempted. Because, to gain a few month's breathing time, you make your future a living hell and your prospects even worse.
 


Lot's of people are going to suffer when the economy slows (as a result of the Fed raising rates). Will our government step in again to provide relief? I'm not sure that they have the political capitol to get something done.
 


Consumers are struggling to make payments on credit card debt while the economy is "good". Imagine what will happen when the economy falters...
 
Stupid is as stupid does.

This mess was a long time coming. Anyone who had ECON 101 knew what all those Stimmy checks would lead to.

The wise recipient either bought PMs (or survival hardware) or just cash. Cash is a negative investment, given double-digit inflation, but in times like we're looking at this fall, it's essential to have some.
 
The kicker is going to be when debt destruction bleeds out of consumer credit (card) markets to housing/mortgage and other debt markets. That's going to hurt banks and cause even tighter lending requirements in the housing markets.
 
The kicker is going to be when debt destruction bleeds out of consumer credit (card) markets to housing/mortgage and other debt markets. That's going to hurt banks and cause even tighter lending requirements in the housing markets.
That's not even the kicker.

It's going to happen as the next step.

The 2008 staged-chaos showed us, one of the first things many debt-slaves will do, when overwhelmed, will be, stop paying the mortgage. Why? First, the debt-lifestyle buyer (as opposed to buyers locked in for decades, who bought in more normal times)...the debt owner has little equity. Zero down, or minimal down, means minimal risk. FOR THE BUYER.

And it takes TIME to evict someone from a property. And it's expensive - in times past, banks made accommodations. Of course the debt-spender expects this crisis to be similar.

This is before the credit-card bill is ignored - they can be turned off immediately; and before the car note is behind - it's easy to repossess a car.

So...massive mortgage delinquencies; and then FannyFarmerFreddieKruger comes crashing down. I don't know how that will effect private banking, since there's essentially no private mortgages held by banks anymore...but it could easily accelerate a panic and spread.
 

 

 
We got there because no one taught them lessons when they were young - lessons about borrowed money.

When you have to charge ONE PURCHASE of essentials because you don't have money...you're in trouble. Time to sit down and start working on a Plan B. Food Bank; buy cheaper; sell stuff or even burn it, if you have to, collect insurance.

But digging a hole with credit-card debt, will make it a grave.
 

The problem isn’t inflation. It’s prices.​


Life in 2023 means being in a constant state of sticker shock.

You walk out of the grocery store feeling like you’re not really sure what happened, but somehow, your normal fare ran you $50 more than you swear it should have. Did Diet Coke always cost that much? Or eggs? Maybe you’ve been putting off buying that new car in the hope prices go back to where they were pre-pandemic, but you’re starting to feel like the wait is awfully long. Or, the morning after a post-work happy hour, you’re left scratching your head. You swear you had two glasses of wine, but the size of your credit card receipt makes you wonder if it wasn’t four. “How expensive everything is today” is a top theme of conversation. The whole situation can be infuriating.

 
And, what, pray tell, is causing prices to go up?

Greedy store owners? How come they couldn't do this before? Is greed something new?

Now we just...KNOW...it cannot be currency debasement, aka Inflation. We know that because our masters and betters in the mediuh forbid us to think that's so.
 

 

How America Racked Up A $1 Trillion Credit Card Bill​

Dec 3, 2023

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The same way we wound up with any of a dozen critical problems that are threatening our survival.

A malfunction between the ears, multiplied by hundreds of millions.
 

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BUY NOW POOR LATER (BNPL) - LIVING A LAVISH LIFESTYLE ON CREDIT CARD DEBT - THIS IS ECONOMIC SUICIDE​

Americans are living and surviving off their credit cards what happens when they run out??????

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**Nothing to see, can listen in one tab, play around the forum in a different tab.
 
I got to the 12-minute mark.

He makes the usual Captain Obvious remarks about credit-cards being a not-good way to pay for emergency expenses or rising living costs. Okay, wonderful.

THEN, at 12-and-change, he starts the usual Leftist lambasting for "Greed" - as if it was CHOICE to raise prices after prices of supplies, labor, energy, all have exploded.

I didn't go further - I suppose it goes into a "Take Action!" trope. Sure, write your Congresscretin - get some Price Controls imposed.

NEVER a mention that the reason prices are exploding are:

--Restrictions on sources and supply of energy

--Hyper-regulation of agriculture and business, with the INTENT of putting farmers and some businesses OUT of business

--DEBASEMENT OF THE CURRENCY.

I guess it's good to hear what the other side is telling its credulous followers, though.
 
Walmart now offers the BNPL at its checkouts. The thing popped up for me yesterday when I was buying a marked down apple pie.

WALMART ADDS BUY NOW, PAY LATER TO SELF-CHECKOUT​

 
It's the economic implosion. Soon to add massive, unpayable consumer debt to its other problems.

If I were twenty, with no credit rating and no real future, I'd say, "Why not?" and just buy on that program with plans to stiff it later, too.
 
Buying an apple pie on credit? America!
 

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Unrest will grow in an election year more and more people struggle to maintain their standard of living.
 

 

Workers are paying to get part of their paychecks early. It’s ‘payday lending on steroids,’ one expert says​


  • So-called “earned wage access” programs allow workers to take a portion of their paychecks before payday, often for a fee.
  • They’ve grown rapidly: $9.5 billion in wages was accessed early during 2020, triple the $3.2 billion accessed in 2018, according to the latest data by Datos Insights.
  • However, in some cases, high fees and frequent use can translate to an annual interest rate of more than 330%, according to experts, regulators and consumer advocates.
  • EWA programs are also known as daily pay, instant pay, accrued wage access, same-day pay and on-demand pay.
Millions of American workers are paying for early access to their paychecks. In some cases, it can come with a steep price.

So-called “earned wage access” programs, which operate either directly to the consumer or through employers, let workers tap a portion of their wages before payday, often for a fee. The services have ballooned in popularity.

While there can be various benefits for consumers — like quick access to funds in the event of an emergency — some services share characteristics of high-cost debt such as payday loans that can cause financial harm, according to some experts and consumer advocates.

 
There is nothing new under the sun.

That used to be called "Payroll Advances" - and yes, companies used to charge for it. The payroll clerks hated it - rightly so, because it was another set of books to manage (before computers) and another deduction to enter on payroll withholding.

It screwed up the routines - and was another way for bookkeeping errors to occur.

I think it was, New York and several other states (I worked in NY at the time) outlawed deductions for payroll advances, and so that was the end of that program. Not long afterward, bank credit cards became ubiquitous.
 

100-year-old explains how he still has $1 million saved: 'I always lived within my means. I'm not a gambler.'​

  • The number of people age 100 and older is expected to grow eight-fold by 2050.
  • Bill Stovall shows what it's like to live for a century without running out of savings.
  • "I always lived within my means," he said. "I'm not a gambler."
Every morning, Bill Stovall wakes up at around 8:30 a.m. The first thing he does is speak to his wife's ashes, which are in a pink urn on his fireplace mantle. He keeps it brief. "I say: 'Good morning. I miss you and I love you. I hope you have a good day,'" said Stovall, who is 100.

Living for an entire century brings challenges. In addition to the death of his wife, Martha, in 2022, Stovall has lost nearly all of his friends. The days at his house in Cumming, Georgia, can get lonely. He's survived colon cancer and skin cancer. He's now deaf.

But one subject that doesn't cause him much stress is money. His nest egg is still around $1 million.

"I always lived within my means," Stovall said. "I'm not a gambler."

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I keep a credit card for emergencies and always keep it paid off. Most months, I don't even get a bill in the mail because there is no balance.
 
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