US Consumer Debt growing

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I owe nobody nuffin.

It's interesting: We hear stories like the above, and most of the high-level debt slaves pooh-pooh it off. Yah, yah, my interest is only $XX.xx a month, yada yada.

But...four years ago I foolishly took a bath (I shouldn't say "invested") in an RV rig. I tried to use logic - a pickup truck (market-desirable) and a trailer (tried to pick one that holds its value better). I bought, and rather than cash in PMs, I borrowed. They make it easy. Oh, lordy, they make it easy. The payment was well within my means; but I'd have had it until long after I die. Over ten years, at 4 percent (then).

Well, the story's been told. Vaxxident, far from home - head-on, other driver dead. Maybe dead before impact. All equipment involved, totaled out. Amazingly, all I got out of it was whiplash - and the incredible hassle of getting home with a lot of expensive camping-trip gear. I made it.

Insurance paid it off, after a little more hassle than I expected. All's well that ends well - for me, at least.

But, now. My monthly costs are rent and electric. And, even though I'm below the poverty line in income...I have PLENTY more money coming in than I'm spending. Just a week ago, getting nervous about my high bank balance (over $6k) I went and bought more krugerrands.

The little savings add up, fer sure. And the peace of mind of not having to worry about unseen expenses, is a joy beyond price.
 
I keep a credit card for emergencies and always keep it paid off. Most months, I don't even get a bill in the mail because there is no balance.

Us cards (2) for all purchases so I can get points that convert to $$$. When the points reach money stage the cash is deposited to an account that pays interest.

Cards paid off monthly (on line - no checks.)

Owe nothing. Everything paid off. It's a nice feeling to be debt free.
 

 

"Garbage Deals": Dealership Puts Customers In Cars With $3,000 Monthly Payments​

A New York Fed survey published earlier this week indicated that, in the fourth quarter of 2023, auto loan delinquencies reached levels not seen since right after the Great Recession more than a decade ago.

As a refresher, the data from Tuesday by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York showed (read: ZH report here) the rate at which car owners are behind on their payments hit an annualized rate of 7.7%, the highest level since 2010.

"Delinquency transition rates have pushed past pre-pandemic levels, and the worsening appears to be broad-based," researchers at the NY Fed wrote in a blog post.

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The Meek won't inherit the Earf.

The Stupid will get it.

And this is what they do.

Judas Priest...who the hell needs an expensive car (truck, most cases) when the whole nation is melting down with a Camp-Of-The-Saints collapse? It's not WORTH it. Get something (relatively) cheap and old and overlooked by arse-wholes who'll happily chuck rocks at anything looking valuable.

Water finds its own level, and that aquifer is a low one.
 
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Looks like Capital One is going to acquire Discover. Reports are that the deal is done. "Great" news because...


 
It's obviously not for the heavy consumer debt. Used to be, a business in debt beyond its MarketCap was a "zombie" corporation. Well, the plastic debt-slaves are now zombies.

I'd wager they're buying the whole of the purchase and credit history of the Discover customers.

Not that it will do any good, once the full collapse hits...
 

Capital One's $35 billion Discover deal hinges on playing consumer champion​

Feb 21 (Reuters) - Capital One's (COF.N), opens new tab chances of getting its $35.3 billion deal for Discover Financial (DFS.N), opens new tab past regulators hinge on the bank showing it can disrupt the close-knit U.S. credit card industry, five experts in corporate law interviewed by Reuters said.

Investors are assigning only a 50% chance to the deal being completed amid concerns the proposed acquisition could become a lightning rod for U.S. regulators and lawmakers fretting over high credit card interest rates and fees.

To boost its chances of getting the deal approved, Capital One will have to show it will share some of the deal's $2.7 billion in projected pre-tax cost-savings with consumers, the people said.

"At the end of the day, the current regime of regulators wants to know if, and how, this merger will benefit consumers," said Abiel Garcia, a former deputy attorney general for the California Department of Justice who is now an antitrust lawyer with Kesselman, Brantly & Stockinger.

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Here's the FDIC statement:
 
Buying now and paying later is still a popular way to splurge on airfare to Cabo. It’s an increasingly common way to buy groceries and lawn furniture, too.

Consumers ages 35 and under comprise 53% of “buy now, pay later” users but just 35% of traditional credit card holders, according to LexisNexis Risk Solutions. Many of those core “BNPL” borrowers have grown so comfortable using the installment loans for just-out-of-reach luxuries that they’re putting more everyday purchases on them as well.


Apparel and accessories were the most popular product category among millennial (ages 30-44) and Gen Z (18-29) users of the BNPL provider Afterpay in 2021 and 2022. But last year it fell to fourth place behind “arts, travel and entertainment,” “home and garden” and “hardware,” according to data the company provided to NBC News.

 
Some of that 53% is folks having trouble with cash flow, and some of it is people trying to take advantage of cashback/miles/rewards. The growth in late payments would seem to indicate that the percentage having trouble with cash flow is growing.
 
People have stopped caring.

Planning ahead, in this era of deliberate chaos...planning is for fools. Look at what happened to people who saved for a big purchase, or for retirement.

My ex's father used to buy his cars with cash. This was back in the Reagan years of prosperity, and he was a professional, a chemical engineer. He had a family, and his cars were all (three of them) newish. He always bought new; didn't believe in buying someone else's problems; but he paid up front.

Imagine such a person now. I'm not saving for a car now because what I have should last me all my life, and if it doesn't, most of us will be walking in a decade, anyway. I've done all the savings I'm going to.

But a young person, thrilled to be making $16 at the car wash, will find that the $28k car he had hoped to buy, when he started, is now $48k. The $140k home he hoped to someday afford, is now $800k.

Who can save? What are banks paying, now? Two percent?

Just party hardy. Various intoxicants are legal, now, and some are encouraged; so smoke it, enjoy it, charge your Bug Muc on your CC account, have it delivered by DoorDash, and don't think about tomorrow.

Tomorrow everything collapses. May as well put your debt into that inferno pile.
 
You have done well, Grasshopper.
 
The last new cars I have bought are a Caddy, a Dodge van, and a Camry. All cash.

No home/land mortgage. <-- This was possible because of the discipline my Daddy taught me. He explained to me over 75 years ago what fiat really was.
 



 
That's a hefty 20% jump in 3 months. Ouch!
 
You'd have had to be blind not to see it coming.

We went from people complaining of the rising costs of essentials, to charging many of them, including food. Running up a debt that they have no plan how to pay off. Meantime, the almost-20-percent interest balloons the balance.

Next comes delinquency in payments, of course. Then the card is turned off; the rent is not paid, the car is repossessed, and another person or family is on the sidewalk or in a shelter.

Economic and societal collapse.
 

Focus: Buy now, pay later lender Affirm pushes into elective medical procedures​

April 23 (Reuters) - Fintech lender Affirm (AFRM.O), opens new tab has started quietly offering "buy now, pay later" (BNPL) loans for elective medical procedures, in a major push beyond its core e-commerce market, the company told Reuters.

Over the past year, Affirm has more than doubled the number of elective medical merchants on its network, reaching around 130 at of the end of 2023. The San Francisco-based company is hoping to tap growing consumer demand for financing for cosmetic treatments, dental services, medical devices and veterinary procedures.

"A lot of these price points are about $2,000 and above, so that suits our installment product... really well," Pat Suh, Affirm's senior vice president of revenue, said in an interview.

While Affirm has been adding elective medical providers since the middle of last year, it has not previously discussed or publicized its push into the sector, the first by a major BNPL provider in the U.S. market, the company said.

Affirm's installment product charges between 0% and 36%, depending on the purchase price and a borrower's credit profile.

"It's a smart growth strategy," said Ted Rossman, senior industry analyst at Bankrate, a consumer finance publisher. "They're already doing a lot with e-commerce, and that'll continue to grow, but it's always about the next big thing."

In 2022, the global market for cosmetic procedures and dental services combined was worth more than half a trillion dollars, market research firm Grand View Research estimated.

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29% of households have jobs but struggle to cover basic needs: They are ‘one emergency from poverty,’ one expert says​

  • The number of households that live above the poverty line but are barely scrapping by is ticking higher.
  • Currently, nearly 40 million families are defined as ALICE, which stands for Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed.
  • High inflation and higher interest rates have taken a hefty toll, and there is little relief in sight.
Over time, higher costs and sluggish wage growth have left more Americans financially vulnerable, with many known as “ALICEs.”

Nearly 40 million families, or 29% of the population, fall in the category of ALICE — Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed — according to United Way’s United for ALICE program, which first coined the term to refer to households earning above the poverty line but less than what’s needed to get by.

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