Privacy, encryption vs. Surveillance state

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pmbug said:
Found it.

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Something to consider is that when purchasing a gun at Academy, the sales person has to escort the purchaser out the front door to physically transfer the gun to the purchaser.

They do not do that in the gun dept inside the store.

So if there is a flock camera that can see the door, they would have video of the actual transfer.
....and with AI and facial recognition, as well as flock picking up wireless data from said customer, would absolutely be able to ID anyone being handed a PKG at the door.

Because any PKG being transfered at the door can safely be assumed to be a gun.
 
It's sort of silly though. All gun sales at Academy are going to require a 4473 form to be filed for the NICS background check. It's not like those sales are anonymous.
 
pmbug said:
It's sort of silly though. All gun sales at Academy are going to require a 4473 form to be filed for the NICS background check. It's not like those sales are anonymous.
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4473 stays with the seller, per my understanding.

Having the cam there allows for local pd to see who takes possession of a gun.
 
Someone_else said:
And for many buyers, the seller does not need any contact with government regarding the sale. The paper just goes into the filing cabinet.
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Yep.

Per my understanding, the gov gets them only when/if the sellers ffl expires or is otherwise no longer valid.

For it to be required to be given to the gov at time of sale, would constitute a defacto gun registry.
....and as far as I know, a gun registry is unConstitutional. It'd be like the gov keeping a registry of everyone who wanted to exercise their free speech Rights.
 
Someone_else said:
And for many buyers, the seller does not need any contact with government regarding the sale. ...
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Pretty sure part of the process is the FFL waiting on the NICS database to return the green light. That part is handled electronically. The 4473 paper just gets filed as y'all mentioned, but I'm pretty sure the FBI does get an electronic record when the NICS database is queried.
 
For many buyers, there is no NICS check required.
I walk into gun store.
Me: "I would like to buy this gun."
Store: "I would like to sell you this gun."
I pay for the gun with cash.
Store give me 4473 to fill out. I fill out my parts.
I show employee my driver's license and concealed carry permit.
Employee finishes the 4473.
I take the gun home.
Employee puts 4473 in filing cabinet.
Done. No government contact whatsoever.
 
Wow. It's been a while since I last purchased a firearm, but I the last time I bought one I had to wait a day or two for the NICS check to green light the sale.
 
I just ran an errand and noticed on the way back home 3 Flock cameras installed near a busy intersection (main traffic artery for this area). I could feel my blood pressure rising.
 
I filled out a contact form for my city:
I just got home from running an errand near <local> Mall. Coming back on <road 1> & <road 2>, I noticed three separate Flock cameras spying on traffic. I could feel my blood pressure rising. <my city> does not need to participate in Flock's efforts to build a nationwide digital surveillance dragnet that ties into Palantir databases for all manner of potential malfeasance. I would like to know which members of City Council voted to approve this un-American idiocy.
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pmbug said:
I just ran an errand and noticed on the way back home 3 Flock cameras installed near a busy intersection (main traffic artery for this area). I could feel my blood pressure rising.
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Once you start noticing them, you'll begin seeing them everywhere.

Typically I see them mostly on the far side of intersections facing away from the intersection, on all four corners. Usually about ten yards or so from the intersection.

That way they get anyone having gone through the intersection.
....and they are harder to spot for most drivers, as no one is stopping on that side of the intersection. When light turns green, everyone goes and no one is looking at a small black pole as they drive by. If it were on the entrance side of an intersection, many more people would notice them and wonder what they are.

City limits is another place they are often at. Watching everyone enter and exit a particular jurisdiction.

Many neighborhoods have them near the intersections that lead into/out of said neighborhoods. Particularly those with hoa's.

Look at www.deflock.me and they have a map of known flock cams.

There is also a route mapping service that will create directions specifically to avoid known camera placements. Not sure of the link for it, as I saw it briefly mentioned in a vid about flock cams. If anyone is interested, I can try to find it.
......but I am afraid that all that a mapping service that intentionally routes around known cameras will ultimately do, is to help the companies putting these things up, to know where the holes are in their camera network.
 
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